The propmod allowed undercloack would be a great feature and give to black ops a great taste and make them able to GTFO of the field more "easier" than before

and yes like you say , a dedicated bonuses for moving while cloacking are a wastefull bonuses if we can make a dedicated modules for black ops with the same bonuses than today

but i am more focused to give bonuses on DPS application than E-War bonuses , that role are dedicated to force recon
that's why i have make bonuses "under" that force recon have

the only major buff on Ewar i would appreciate will be on Widow , it's a pain to skill him with black ops 5 and ECM related skill at 5 to have .... the same bonuses than a fu***ing Falcon who cost 10X less and don't need enormous skill invest than the Widow


Really sorry , i didn't see you'r post , it's my "first" post in forums :p

So , in fact , you want to make Black ops like bigger Force Recon with BattleShip DPS and JumpDrive capability ?
You suggestion make them little to counter it too , i mean you'r remove too the need of a support fleet of Force Recon to fill E-War Support on the field

The Problem can be :

1)Why i will need to bridge my Rapier if this Panther can do the same work with insame amount of DPS and personal jump drive ?

2) Why i will need to field my Panther who cost XX Billions of ISK if a 200m ISK Rapier and 2x30M SB can do the same work ?



And saying that Bomber are the DPS on a Blops gank are not really true
yes they make high dps/alpha
but Torpedo have a poor poor pooooor application of his dps , the target need to be web/scram/paint if it is a target under the BC-Size

If i mix dps application and ewar capability it's because

1) yes , you have train a loooooong time to get on a blingbling BS , you can have good dps and he will apply it better than the lowest skill/isk than a SB
2) You will still need support ship because you have lowest ewar bonuses than force recon have


But sure at 100% that Blops need some love , some ewar capability and DPS application

The Only one Blops to have a DPS/Application are the Redeemer , that why he is the most popular blops today (and yes , great EHP too)
Would be cool to see all other blops have better DPS application , that will justify the high cost and the high skill required to fly it properly

I would like to see the black ops ships changed to give Titan-esqe boosts that only apply to covert ships.

Just make the second tier pure bonuses to like the following to make them more designed for bridging then.

[Racial] Battleship skill bonuses per level:
10% increased Isotope fuel bay
5% bonus to [Racial] weapon system damage

Black Ops skill bonuses per level:
10% reduced Isotope requirements for Covert Jump Portal Generator
10% increased Covert Jump Portal Generator bridge range

Role Bonus:
-+ Can fit Black Ops Cloaking Device, Covert Cynosural Field Generator and Covert Jump Portal Generator
-+ No targeting delay after Cloaking Device deactivation
-+ (25% or 50% to be decided) reduced Spool-Up time on Large Micro Jumpdrives

Drones are counter productive because while they are out you can't cloak, if your buddy has his out and you just in range of his orbiting drones yo still can't cloak, see my reasoning? Also if you gotta jump away in a hurry you will leave your drones behind because the cost of your ship is more important, so simply just get rid of the drones.

Yes drones on the Stratios is counter productive.

About the Widow, I have one, has no ecm moduels on it.... pure shield torpedo widow, more survivable, ecm widow is usually left on field to die and save the other blops.

BlOps BS need the following things:
T2 resists
More fitting so they can fit reasonable DPS/tank without going with faction mods (Pretty much impossible to get a reasonable fit now without faction mods.)

Specifically each hull needs:
The Widow needs to lose the ECM bonuses and become a missile DPS ship.
The Sin needs to become purely hybrid or purely drone based. I would rather see drones personally.

They need the following bonuses on each ship:
BS skill:
5% capacitor recharge time (I personally like recharge time since you hit grid at 25% cap at best. Capacitor amount would work also.)
5-7.5% Damage (Not ROF)

BlOps skill:
5-7.5% Optimal/falloff range or missile velocity
5-7.5% tracking/explosion velocity

Role bonuses:
250% velocity when cloaked
Can fit Covert Cynosural Field Generator and Covert Jump Portal Generator
Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds
No targeting delay after Cloaking Device deactivation

That's all BlOps BS need. Pretty quick and simple fix. I would love to see the bridging module actually become part of the cost to build instead of it being a separate module. You would get all the functionality of the Bridge module without having to try to fit another mod. Not a deal breaker if it doesn't happen.

It allows each part of the Covert Ops line to do what it needs to:
Stealth bombers do lots of DPS cheaply while only having frigate tank.
Recons lock down the target through jams, damps, Tracking disruption, neuts, and webs.
BlOps BS bring the hurt, but die just like any other BS when unsupported.
Covert haulers to haul/be bridged in with anything extra that is needed.

Why you ask?
BlOps should require a fleet of SBs, recons, and BlOps BS to achieve maximum efficiency. With your changes that turns BlOps BS into joint BS/recons you effectively reduce the need to have recons and SBs on the field. Each part of the BlOps fleet has a role. SBs are low SP cheap DPS, Recons are brought in to lock down the target, BlOps BS can bridge the fleet and jump in to apply lots of DPS. By doing what you propose and adding in recon bonuses to BlOps BS you destroy this balance and turn BlOPs fleet into "BlOps BS or GTFO." That is not good for this game.

Next, there is nothing wrong with how cloaking currently works on BlOps BS. You jump in, kill the target, MJD off and cloak. Then you align, decloak, warp a safe and recloak. Decloak and jump out. It works. It isn't broken. If anything you could update this by taking the velocity while cloaked bonus and moving it to a role bonus as suggested above to free up a skill bonus. No need for a new module like you propose.

Of course. Because a marauder can jump to a BlOps cyno.

The purpose of adding in the cap recharge bonus would be to open up fitting choices and help correct for a weakness of BlOps BS. Yes, recharge time won't do anything about you being at 25% cap when you jump in. What it will do is make it so you can regen cap quicker so you can be at jump cap sooner. 25% cap recharge means you could fit a heavy cap booster to gain lots more cap quicker, or fit a smaller cap booster and free up fitting more more DPS or tank, or you could even be ballsy enough to fit no cap booster to free up the slot for something else. It opens up more choices.

If you think missiles don't work well in PvP you are clueless. The tracking formula for missiles excels in situations where the target is moving slowly and has a large signature. A web and a TP fit to a rapier or the Widow itself would make missiles track even better than before. Or if you were super worried about the tracking of your torps/CMs you could fit RHMLs. Leave the ECM to the falcon. There is a reason it is a specialized ECM ship that can be bridged by a BlOps BS.